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Poster: chops11 Date: Oct 27, 2006 5:31am
Forum: etree Subject: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Often I see on the forums here and wonder myself about some of the bands and what style music they play. There doesn't seem to be a good resource out there, so I'm going to put one together. I'm looking for feedback/help on some aspects:

Basic Idea:

User can selecte a band/artist, then choose 3 "styles" that fit that band. User can then rate the band 1-5 or 1-10 and leave a review of the band in general.

From here, another user can search the database by either Band or Style. For the Band search, it'll report on the number of times each "style" has been selected for that band, and provide the ratings and reviews. For the "style" search, it'll show what bands fit that style of music and how many times they've been voted to that "style".


Where the help is needed:

1) Does this concept sound useful? Would you use it?

2) Does the layout above sound useful. What changes would you make/features would you add? ex: Have 5 styles per band? Drop the rating system? etc.

3) What "styles" of music should be preloaded into the system? ex: Jam, Blues, Jazz, etc. The more suggestions the better.



Thanks

Ed

This post was modified by chops11 on 2006-10-27 12:31:27

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Poster: JodyC Date: Oct 27, 2006 1:25pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Very helpful idea. There are several genres to search from on dimeadozen.org for suggestions. The issue there is that the person uploading the show decides what genre the band is which can be rather subjective. You could conceivably find Zappa under Rock & Roll, songwriter, alt rock, hard rock, etc. So if you pick what genre you think Zappa might fall under, you may miss several shows categorized differently. Also like the "Sounds like" addition.

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Poster: Estim8ed Date: Oct 27, 2006 6:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Outstanding idea. So many reviews say "if you like this band, download this show" but give no indication of the type of music... I'm a deadhead since 71, but I love Reggae (esp Dub and Roots Rock), The Blues, Jazz, Rock and Roll, Funk...Not much I won't try. The Archive has introduced me to many bands I've never heard of, and some great music, but it can be a little tedious trying out so many unknowns and not knowing anything about the style of music. The recent reviews, staff suggestions, and user posts all offer new places to explore, but the ability to search within a genre would add to the fun.

If you've read this far, here's my newest favorite on the archive: Holy Moses and the High Rollers. They'd need about 9 genres to classify, as every song seems to hit a different one. From jazz covers to Paul Simon to Allman Brothers... some sound like Kimock or Garcia, some great reggae (Live for Today), Maggot Brain reminiscent of Pink Floyd... a very diverse and fun band.

'nuf said

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Poster: dgrayshn Date: Oct 27, 2006 9:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

i think a similar system to look at is the one used by the cddb database... you can get a look at it via EAC (EXact Audio Copy)

they have pretty much all the genres convered.. except i think jamband.. also you can look up groups/albums and see how people often use 2 or 3 different genres to describe the same bands...

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Poster: ARossi Date: Oct 27, 2006 10:34am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Estim8ed's post brings up a good idea - have a "sounds like" section where you can liken a band to other (perhaps more famous) bands to give people an idea what they sound like?

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 27, 2006 12:00pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Hi All - I posted this last month and it seems to be relavant to this thread so...

This post was under the subject "good jam bands".

Can you guys describe what some of these bands are doing? I know it is difficult to do without stereotyping/pigeon-holing(whatever you call it)or using cliches but...

Descriptions are one thing that is missing from LMA. The reason being, no band want to state "we're a country/jam/bluegrass/blues band" for fear of exclusion. Some people may not care to listen to certain genres, but many bands here do much, much more. So, I have always thought each band should have space to describe what they do at the collection page.

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Poster: Tyler Date: Oct 27, 2006 6:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

1) Does this concept sound useful? Would you use it?

Absolutely! It's been something that has eluded the LMA for years now (The Keyword browsing feature hasn't shown to be particularly useful IMHO). The perfect idea is to have someone just create it on their own, and link to it in the FAQ or something. With user input / content it could fill up fast (in theory).

2) Does the layout above sound useful. What changes would you make/features would you add? ex: Have 5 styles per band? Drop the rating system? etc.

3 styles per band is good. it can be up to the person to pick however many styles they want, but limit it to 3. people tend to get out of hand when they love bands, but let them just put 1 or 2 if they want. Don't require 3.

the rating system could be dropped, since anyone who knows the band / likes them are the ones going to fill out part of the info on the band's section. We all know they love that band, no need to have 900 5 star ratings for the band.

3) What "styles" of music should be preloaded into the system? ex: Jam, Blues, Jazz, etc. The more suggestions the better.

I agree, brows around CDDB and get some from there. Genres are so hard to define, as long as you stick to the main ones, trends will develop that allow the new viewer to get a jist of what the band sounds like. I'd also say "Rock", "Singer / Songwriter", "Acoustic", "Punk", "Psycadelic", etc..

I hope this happens Ed! It would be amazing if you got it up off the ground and had all 2000+ LMA artists on there for ref. Start small, hit the main big bands on here and then work from there.

Tyler

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Poster: chops11 Date: Oct 30, 2006 9:33am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Here's a beginning list. Anyone care to add/edit?

Acoustic
Afrobeat
Bluegrass
Blues
Brass
Celtic
Choir
Classic Rock
Classical
Country
Dance music
Dub
Electronic
Folk
Funk
Gospel
Hip hop
Jam
Jazz
Latin American
Pop
Psychedelic
Punk
Rap
Reggae
Rhythm and Blues
Rock
Singer Songwriter
Ska
Tribal
World

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Poster: xtifr Date: Oct 28, 2006 10:20am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

> "(The Keyword browsing feature hasn't shown to be particularly useful IMHO)"

That's in large part because it's never worked (at least not within the LMA), even though I posted a fix within days of its introduction, along with a working example! And now, keywords have been abused almost past the point of no return. Which is largely because people don't understand what they're for, because they can't try them out, because they don't work. I think the keywords could have been useful, I think they might still be salvaged, but ONLY IF THE LINKS ARE FIXED TO HAVE "mediatype=etree" INSTEAD OF "mediatype=audio"!! All it takes is one tiny edit to one tiny PHP template somewhere, and bammo! Keywords work, and might even start to become useful! Keywords on the front page, keywords in artists collections, all currently useless, all SO EASY to FIX!

Browse the Live Music Archive by Subject/Keyword
Browse Little Feat by Subject/Keyword

Hey, the links in those pages work! Wow, magical, huh? *sigh*

That said, I do think it makes more sense to associate genres with artists than shows. But AGAIN, that could done with keywords!! Chops's idea of how to generate the genre information is great, but the SIMPLEST way to get there is to store the information AS KEYWORDS in the collection record. No need to create some elaborate new structure; all the basic elements are already available. Then you just need a link to "browse collections by subject/keyword".

Oh, there is one other bug in the browse.php script when field=/metadata/subject. Does anyone know who I'd discuss that with? Jon Aizen? Or is he too-overworked, as usual? MAN, I wish I could at least read some of the code to this site! It's SO much easier to report bugs when you can say, "look, right here, in this line, it's using the wrong field!". And even if a report like that is wrong, it's usually still MUCH easier on the poor, overworked engineers and techs to grok the situation.

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Poster: Tyler Date: Oct 30, 2006 5:55pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Creating Tool for Band Style.. need suggestions.

Thank you for your detailed tip xtifr. The main page 'browse by subject / keyword' now pulls up links that when clicked on, bring up results for the indicated keyword. Let us know if you find further items for the engineers to look at in more detail.

-Tyler